and instead of going after solutions we're having a fight in washington. >> we're going to talk about policy in a minute. i want to talk to you first, michael. you were there. you were at the epi center of this transfer of power. what was it like to be in chicago? >> it was exciting. i mean, people were talking about the enthusiasm gap. i said look. i do a lot of renewal of vows as a minister. and the second time around of course it's different. you know more about him. you know about her. you're a little bit more jaded. you ain't getting flowers every day. but the bill's being paid, baby got shoes and everybody good. so that's the renewal of vows obama. look, i'm out here doing my thing. and it was tremendous. it was electric. it was the understanding that this is a real choice in america between two different options, one of which is selfish and redistributing wealth upward to those who are wealthy, and another one that is concerned about the poor and at least about the middle class. so in that sense, people felt that hey, we ratified today the fundamental principles of democracy, n